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sp pro problems

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:48 pm
by zap
Hope I have the right section.

My Selectronics SP Pro seems to have bad hair days from time to time where for no reason that I can think of it stops sending power out and instead puts the power into the batteries causing them to go way high and then shut down the system. to make matters worse the sp pro defaults to 85% charge causing the batteries to charge when they are already charged. I try to log in as quick as I can and reset the soc but as quick as I do it the charger raises the voltage again and the cycle begins again. I have reduced the voltage on the charger to stop the voltage rising but it still happens. At the moment I have the system at idle because I put out more power than when it is working. at idle the ac inverter puts out about 2000watts but when the system is running it puts out nothing and instead sends the power to the batteries even though the charger is off. Last time this happened I lowered all voltages so it did not matter if it was in bulk or float it was still low and it seemed to do the trick I also updated the firmware in case that would help and have not had any problems for a few weeks but the problem is back. I hope someone may know why this happens.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:28 pm
by davidg
I'd have to look at the configuration of the SP-Pro and also need to know what the system consists of.

ie
if DC coupled for instance what are the components and how is it connected together.
if AC coupled the same and then how the system is setup and connected together.

However the shut down is to protect the batteries from being killed (cooked), it's not a fault and I'm sure of that.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:20 pm
by APR
zap wrote:My Selectronics SP Pro seems to have bad hair days from time to time where for no reason that I can think of it stops sending power out and instead puts the power into the batteries causing them to go way high....


What make and model is your AC coupled inverter?

Can the SP Pro throttle the AC coupled inverter back to zero or very low output?

Is your system grid connected?

Have heard of an SP Pro with an AC coupled Grid Tied inverter overcharging the batteries if the grid disconnects/goes down. When the grid is there excess generation above house and battery charging demand goes to the grid. If the grid goes down the excess goes to the batteries and battery voltage goes battery destroying high.

May not be related to your issue at all.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:11 pm
by davidg
APR wrote:What make and model is your AC coupled inverter?

Should not matter for all SP-pro's series 2's anyway.

APR wrote:Can the SP Pro throttle the AC coupled inverter back to zero or very low output?

There are only certain grid inverters that the SP-pro''s fully support for really smart power output control, however there are work arounds that work with almost any grid type inverter/s when the grid is involved, provided it as been either programmed or implemented.

APR wrote:Have heard of an SP Pro with an AC coupled Grid Tied inverter overcharging the batteries if the grid disconnects/goes down. When the grid is there excess generation above house and battery charging demand goes to the grid. If the grid goes down the excess goes to the batteries and battery voltage goes battery destroying high.

Only if the SP-pro has not been setup properly, does this become an issue, when the grid is involved. When the grid type inverter is one that the SP-Pro is not able to manage they are NOT recommended for off-grid use, although with a lot of messing around it can be done, however frankly by the time all the messing around is done you might as well, have simply used a supported grid type managed inverter instead.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:25 pm
by APR
davidg wrote:Only if the SP-pro has not been setup properly, does this become an issue.......


If the SP Pro is set up correctly and using compatible AC connected inverter hardware then it should not be doing what the OP is seeing. There has been more than one SP Pro setup that cooked batteries when panel power was up there and the grid connection was lost.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:40 pm
by davidg
APR wrote:There has been more than one SP Pro setup that cooked batteries when panel power was up there and the grid connection was lost.

Then the SP-pro has not been setup properly.

I used 4 unmanaged grid inverters on my system for 8 years and had many grid failures not once did I have the battery voltage ever climb over or go overvoltage. The SP-pro and I can't stress this enough must be setup correctly. Only replaced them because one of the inverters grid anti island relay failed open circuit. The others were sure to follow and I was able to replace all 4 with one fronius 8.2kw inverter in their place (scert version)

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:13 pm
by APR
If you actually read what I said.....
APR wrote:If the SP Pro is set up correctly and using compatible AC connected inverter hardware then it should not be doing what the OP is seeing.


I used 4 unmanaged grid inverters on my system for 8 years and had many grid failures not once did I have the battery voltage ever climb over or go overvoltage.


And you initially stuffed around for ages to get them working in a half satisfactory manner.

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:47 am
by davidg
APR wrote:And you initially stuffed around for ages to get them working in a half satisfactory manner.

The so called stuffing around for ages initially was only a couple hours getting working properly.

I chose to mess around and see what else could be done and got to stay online even when the there was no grid without any battery damage or over-voltage on the batteries.

Thanks I did see what you posted................

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:52 am
by APR
davidg wrote:The so called stuffing around for ages initially was only a couple hours


Fair enough. Here is the $1M question..... would you recommend Joe Blow take on an off grid SP Pro setup using just any grid tied inverter with the view to using the shut down functionality of the inverter as the control mechanism to control charge going to the battery? Or, would you recommend using an inverter with decent ramped output reduction on voltage rise... and preferably something that Selectronics will actually support by actually answering queries for assistance when things go south for what ever reason?????

Re: sp pro problems

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:57 am
by davidg
The managed option is the much better way to go for AC coupled solution/s, obviously!