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Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:25 pm
by Smurf1976
Went shopping for more Christmas lights today. :D

Whilst making the house look like Las Vegas isn't exactly energy efficient, one thing I have really noticed is this. Even if I wanted to make power consumption go up, it would be virtually impossible to do so. At least it would unless I add a few electric radiators to the display.

Take an old rope light that draws around 160 Watts. Once it fails, it's failed - the incandescent bulbs in those are not replaceable and so you replace the whole thing. And the new LED replacement draws dramatically less power, around one tenth that of the old incandescent. So like it or not, energy consumption is going down unless I massively increase the number of lights and it would be the same with every other such light display globally.

Another thing which made me think is that my mother had an electrical inspector come around to check the meters, presumably checking for theft of electricity. The reason is pretty simple. She has a nice new air-conditioner which is primarily used for heating (bearing in mind that this is a 1970's built house in Tas and she's over 70 so uses quite a bit of heating). The power bills have dropped from around $780 to just over $500, solely due to installing the new heating which replaced a smaller, less efficient air-conditioner and an off-peak storage heater. After two consecutive quarters of reduced bills, it seems that the power supplier decided to investigate.

There are plenty more examples from TV's (my 6 year old plasma draws 350W versus a new TV of the same size around 130W) to lighting (LED's etc) and other appliances. Even if a consumer has no specific objective to save energy, they will end up doing so as old appliances etc are inevitably replaced by new ones at some point.

Looking around my own house and considering friends' etc houses, it's fair to say that most appliances actually in use are not as efficient as current models. There are still incandescent bulbs in use, there are still older plasma TV's, plenty of top loading washing machines, old fridges and so on. But at some point those will be replaced and energy consumption falls. And of course there's the trend away from electric hot water to heat pumps, solar and gas.

Even if the installation of solar panels was outright banned tomorrow, grid electricity consumption is still likely to fall on a per-household basis into the future. The electricity companies would be wise to come to grips with this reality.

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:42 pm
by Bthree
GRATTAN Report "Shock to the system: dealing with falling electricity demand"

http://grattan.edu.au/publications/repo ... ty-demand/

Its a big read 31 pages

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:47 am
by lantern
The writing was on the wall over five years ago. The power retailers chose to ignore it.
Now their running around like headless chooks wondering why their age old business model is failing them.

Their answer is to keep increasing prices so as to keep the dividend payments to their shareholders.

Pathetic!

They should embrace change instead of denying it.

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:01 pm
by Tracker
lantern wrote:...... The power retailers chose to ignore it......Their answer is to keep increasing prices so as to keep the dividend payments to their shareholders......


and the MORE they increase the charges, in order to maintain their PROFIT, the more folk will say - HOW do I go Off-Grid.. :?:

The real question will be how IPART etc. will justify allowing the increases.. :idea:

Price Increases are usually based on cost increases, NOT the NEED for profit.. :o
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Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:00 pm
by davidg
Tracker wrote:Price Increases are usually based on cost increases, NOT the NEED for profit.. :o
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Yes ...................... sure they are ................ :lol:

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:09 pm
by Tracker
davidg wrote:Yes ...................... sure they are ................ :lol:


Ita Vero..... but we are supposed to believe that THEY have interest at heart... LOL
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Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:36 pm
by davidg
Tracker wrote:THEY have interest at heart... LOL

certainly "they have interest at heart" their own ............. greedy so an so's :x

yet ever more interest in hybrids ever growing slowly but surely ............. ;)

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:35 am
by Tracker
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I would go as far as to suggest that folk like you and Positronic Solar, will be very busy, as more and more become disenchanted with the gross rip-offs in the energy industry..

the other day, I tuned into a talk back radio program and they were carrying on about Solar Panels setting fire to houses.. gotta say that I felt it was a strange attempt to bag solar as a dangerous thing.
cynically, I wondered if it was someone with a vested interest, presenting the view..
now who would want people to turn away from Solar..
Fools like Alan Jones, have sugggested that solar is bad and yet not one owner thinks that way.. you can be sure that AJ would not be concerned to reduce their household bills...
Is there a campaign to discredit the value and the safety of PV, so as to reverse the grid-exit that seems to be happening.. :roll:
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Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:25 pm
by Smurf1976
Safety isn't a new argument so far as energy companies are concerned.

A century ago the gas companies pointed to the dangers of electricity. They were also pretty good at denying the inevitable - as late as the 1930's they were still trying to argue the case for gas lighting rather than electric.

By the 1960's it had reversed, with electricity companies convincing many that gas was "old fashioned, obsolete and downright dangerous".

Environmental marketing isn't new to the industry either. The gas industry has argued that gas is environmentally superior to electricity since the 1990's.

And in the specific case of Tasmania, the Hydro (as a former retailer) and subsequently Aurora Energy heavily promoted electric heating throughout the 1990's and 00's based heavily on health concerns relating to emissions from wood burning heaters. As they pointed out "smoking is old fashioned, obsolete and no longer required". It sounds rather like what the electricity industry said about gas a generation earlier.

So it wouldn't surprise me to see safety raised as a reason not to go solar since the basic concept of discrediting the competition based on safety concerns certainly isn't new in the energy industry.

Re: Further falls in grid power consumption are inevitable

PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:22 am
by davidg
Tracker wrote:the other day, I tuned into a talk back radio program and they were carrying on about Solar Panels setting fire to houses

How many houses have actually gone up in smoke thanks to PV arrays in Australia?
Compare that to the number of regular electrical fires that have happened for the same period.

Tracker wrote:Fools like Alan Jones, have suggested that solar is bad and yet not one owner thinks that way.. you can be sure that AJ would not be concerned to reduce their household bills...

Yessssssssssssssss ...... He's such an expert isn't he ;) , hes had so years of training in Electronics and Electrical theory hasn't he ;) . His total BS is good for radio ratings that's about it. Nothing like inventing a problem where none really exists.

Sounds like germicidal hand wipes, antibacterial liquid soap, battery powered soap dispensers because then you don't have to touch them and so on, that have appeared in the last few years, no one ever had a problem for lots decades in the past ............ So we invent a problem so then you sell solution ..........

Sounds a bit like AJ invents a problem .......... I guess he must be a soap dispenser :lol: :lol: :lol: