Feed in tariffs and payments

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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby Daryl » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:27 pm

Sorry, a little late back to the party, but here is Origin's media release stating that they will roll over any excess credit or send you a cheque if you request it. http://www.originenergy.com.au/news/art ... eases/1033
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby ronkit » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:16 pm

I'm waiting for my first bill from TRUenergy following solar installation and new digital meter, and am waiting a reply concerning my queries (of 17 July) on extra costs of 'Go Easy Solar' tariff now imposed.

Main concerns:

1 the quarterly standing charge increases from $40.90 to $45.15 (+10.4%)
2 Cost/peak kWh supplied from TRU increases from 15.858c to 18.63c (+17.53%)
3 Cost/off-peak kWh supplied from TRU increases from 9.5578c to 11.67c (+22.1%)

The above charges do not include GST

Buy-back rate per (peak) solar kWh is stated to be 18.62c (GST does not apply)

Strange economic logic: if there is no solar feed-in, my total quarterly bill (for the same consumption) will increase by 17%.

I will post any reply I get to my queries - if any!
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby Joey » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:55 am

andarm wrote:Nicko,
You're right with your definition but in Vic at least the export is in 30 min blocks rather than over the whole day. That is, you can generate, say, 1 kWh for the day and use 2 kWh which equates to a 1kWh import but if you were generating more in any 1/2 half block than you uesd, the result can still be the export of some energy during the day. If the import/export deal was 24 hour based, very few households would export anything unless they had a huge system.
Our 5 person household averages 7.1 kWh use per day so our 5kW system results in export every day of the year.
Hope this helps.


Sorry but where did you get the idea that an average 5 person household uses 7.1 KWH ?? everywhere I have read states that between 15 and 20Kwh is average., some much higher and very few families consume less.

In WA we have smart meters , the reality is that if you are using 1kw and producing 1Kw there is nothing imported and nothing exported , If I am producing 2kw and still using 1kw then the extra 1KW is recorded on the export side of the meter and credited at the higher rate.
The only way a gross feed in tariff could be metered is if you had an export meter wired between the inverter and the import meter.
I have seen quite a few smart meters used by energy companies and have not seen a meter with separate export terminals for inverter connection so unless in other states there is specific different wiring for inverters to the grid and meters you can only ever export the excess you are producing.
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby andarm » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:40 am

Joey,
I didn't say THE average 5 person household consumes 7.1kWh/day - I said OUR (very average) 5 person household consumes 7.1kWh/day. You are absolutely right in saying the average is 15-20kWh/day, actually towards the higher end of this range. My goal at the moment is to reduce this to <5kWh/day before next winter.
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby Joey » Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:57 pm

andarm wrote:Joey,
I didn't say THE average 5 person household consumes 7.1kWh/day - I said OUR (very average) 5 person household consumes 7.1kWh/day. You are absolutely right in saying the average is 15-20kWh/day, actually towards the higher end of this range. My goal at the moment is to reduce this to <5kWh/day before next winter.


Oh ok misunderstood ,

Not sure if we should start a new thread but very interested in how you can achieve such low usage comfortably , also your new 5KW system setup is going to be an interesting project how close are you to doing this ?
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby andarm » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:49 pm

Should be over the next month or so (has to be by 26/11 because that is when my 9 months of SHCP rebate money expires).
My field is energy efficiency so that helps with reducing usage.
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby TSkinner » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:04 am

Hi guys,
Interesting to hear what your energy consumption is.
I just renovated my house.
Prior to the renovation (a typical 3 bedroom californian bungalow in Melb) I was using 7 -8 kW average per day
(2 adults + 1 teenager + 1 prep child).
In my reno, I have installed a 2kW PV system, insulated walls and ceilings, double glazed new windows and put in CFL downlights throughout the extension.
I am interested to see my new use rate.
During the last 2 weeks (including the recent school holidays) - my new "smart" meter recorded an average 10kW per day from the grid.
My PV system produced average 5kW at the same time.
The weather here has not been particularly sunny.
I am hoping (in the long run) input equals output, and in summer my production cancels out my winter usage.
I am also hoping my average energy usage stays the same even though I am in a larger house and my kids grow (as does their energy use-eg computers, electronic gizmos & gadgets)
Interesting stuff ahead.

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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby Tracker » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:47 pm

The problem is there is still little detail available along with the issue that Integral Energy (the infrastructure provider in Sydney Metro) won't permit the installation of Smart Meters on it's grid.


Now that's an interesting statement, when the Industry practice is to switch to "Smart Meters" and hence "Time-Of-Day" power costs. On top of that, it is a requirement of SHCP that you change the meter to a smart meter, if you hope to get your rebate!

I wonder what difference it would make, if you have a two or three phase supply and you make sure that your PV Feed-In is connected to a secondary phase, perhaps an unused phase, such that ALL your PV power registers as "Exported".

In fact, I doubt that the above claim is correct.....
Integral has Prices for Time-Of_Day tariffs
http://www.integral.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/b21e6b004925a59b9cb69ff738d2752c/2009+IE+Energy+Price+Guide.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=b21e6b004925a59b9cb69ff738d2752c&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=56a3300045991681a359f3e46b8fcf9b&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198&CACHEID=7ca505804b6be84f9226d7da3fd45198

9. Domestic Time-of-Use (kWh)
9.1 Tariff rates
Peak Energy 25.2700¢ per kWh (excl. GST)
27.7970¢ per kWh (incl. GST)
Shoulder Energy 20.3400¢ per kWh (excl. GST)
22.3740¢ per kWh (incl. GST)
Off-Peak Energy 9.7200¢ per kWh (excl. GST)
10.6920¢ per kWh (incl. GST)
System Access Charge 61.00¢ per day (excl. GST)
67.10¢ per day (incl. GST)

You can't have time-of-day metering without a Smart Meter, so how could they not accept them ???
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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby Matt » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:17 am

Hi Guys,

I would have to agree with Daryl as I am also with Origin and so far have been able to sell an excess of about 3kWh per day and I use about 6kWh per day, and for now Origin are paying me 22C per kWh for net power produced and this showed on my bill as a credit. Once the 60C comes in for Victoria things will be even better and yes they said that I could request a cheque if I am in credit at the end of the year.

Re: New smart meters, They are better than the old ones that spin backwards as they do show the exact amount you are using or selling by means of an arrow in or out and watts. They even show you a total for weekend and weekday use and production and show the peak watts, amps and volts from the PV system along with min and max voltage from the mains and peak amps drawn.
My 5.25A Sunpower panels did produce at one time 6.1Amps.

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Re: Feed in tariffs and payments

Postby TSkinner » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:08 am

Hi Matt,
I have recently been in contact with Origin as well - with queries the same as yours.
The information they supplied was the same.
I am yet to receive a bill with the new "smart meter" - but they tell me it will have "power used" in peak time, "power used" in off peak time, a total for each. Then it will have what I have produced and a total for it.
The difference between the two will be my bill - either credit or payment.
Is this the case?
So far I have had the smart meter for a month (in Melb) and my 2kW system has produced 90% of my power needs.
Bring on more of these sunny days!!
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