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What's a good price for a design?

Postby Chaff_Cutter » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:44 pm

Hello forum members,

I've contacted 3 designers for a design price and found that...
    all 3 have no LiFePO4 experience (in fact all 3 did their best to dissuade me from that chemistry)
    all 3 have CEC accreditation. I actually got the contacts from the solaraccreditation.com website.
    The price varied from $3-400 thru to $12-1500! :!:
I cannot see why there is such a difference if the design would be basically identical from all 3 designers.
(Except greed? :shock: )
I have done a little of the leg work for them giving specs for all the major parts of the system I have or will get, I just need the design on paper with a signature so that I can get my STC rebate.

What would other members expect to pay for such a service and any ideas as to why the huge variation in prices?

Even if anyone knows of someone that is accredited in WA that I could contact would be a help.

Thanks for your thoughts,
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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Tracker » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:49 pm

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Ummm.. like WHY would you attempt to PAY for a design..

Would it not be better to approach qualified firms and ask for a quote for what you think you need..

You would have to be the very first that I have heard of, wanting a "Design"...

PS - I would think there is a spread of prices, because you are silly enough (sorry) , to ask for a design..
They would assume that you will use the "Design" to either build it yourself, or seek quotes from others..

Is there a special reason why you believe you need a "Design"..
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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Chaff_Cutter » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:30 pm

Tracker wrote:..

Is there a special reason why you believe you need a "Design"..
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Ummmm, I was under the impression that unless the system is designed and signed off by a CEC accredited person I wouldn't get somewhere in the vicinity of $4600 back from the federal gumbyment.

I only want the design so that I can source ALL the parts and install the WHOLE system myself knowing that its all safe with the right size breakers, switches, cable sizes etc all accounted for.
Once It's installed, I can get all the HV connections connected and the installation signed off by a CEC accredited installer/sparky.
Once I've got them 2 signatures, I can get the STC credits that I'll get me about $4600

At least thats how I figured it works?

If I go to any company, I can assume the only reason they're still in business is because they look after their bottom line by trying to convince me to buy 'trusted' Pb chemistry along with their 'trusted' preferred inverter and other 'trusted' stuff. Would I be wrong in saying that?

IMO, I would much rather trawl thru these forum pages making my own decisions about what to buy, than listen to some 'wet-behind-the-ears' sales dude that probably has less idea than I.

Dont get me wrong if the STC credits weren't available I'd design it and persevere with all this myself.

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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby davidg » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:55 pm

Chaff_Cutter wrote:Ummmm, I was under the impression that unless the system is designed and signed off by a CEC accredited person I wouldn't get somewhere in the vicinity of $4600 back from the federal gumbyment.

STC's are done on the Solar Panel Gross Total watts the cost of the system is essentially irrelevant, to get the STC's it legally is required to be installed by a CEC accredited installer, etc.

I have designed systems for electricians, for a price, all been AC coupled to date.

If you want to do a system yourself, don't chase the STC's, stick the parts you are legally allowed to do ie anything that's ELV (50VAC and 120VDC ripple free and below) everything else, legally supposed to be done by electricians including the actual installation of them.

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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Chaff_Cutter » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:17 pm

Hiya David,

To get the STC's, all I need is 2 signatures, yes?
One from the designer and another from the actual installer/commissioner. I assume that usually these are one and the same. I'll get a CEC'd sparkie for the commissioning signature.

I'm finding it difficult to believe that its illegal for someone to mount a 240V ceiling fan and then get his sparkie to wire it up.

I'm also finding it hard to not bother getting $4600 worth of STC's for nothing more than getting 2 signatures.


And Tracker...

If you were genuinely sorry then you wouldn't have called me silly in the first place.
I thought I was asking a legitimate question. I think paying someone to design a system that is legal and safe is a better option than asking 45,381 questions on this forum like "what type and size breaker should I put here. Or should I put it there?"

Maybe I should just shup :| and just read these forums and keep the silly questions to myself.

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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Chaff_Cutter » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:56 am

So,

I'll ask again, is it worth getting $4600 from the government for my 26 panels?

To get it I'll need 2 signatures and I'll have to pay for them. Less than $4600 though.

I guess I'm just missing something that's right in front of me.... :oops:

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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Gordon-Loomberah » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:10 pm

What quite a few on here have done is: do the ELV DC part of the installation yourself, and save all of the design cost and paying someone to do the installation, then forget about the STCs, which is basically a licence for the big power companies to pollute- every STC that they buy is an excuse not to produce renewable energy.
What the net financial result for you would be, I don't know, but IMO not giving the coal burners more excuses to pollute is a good thing. What were your calculations for the $4600 credit?
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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby Chaff_Cutter » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:12 pm

Hi Gordon,
Thanks for your response.
Gordon-Loomberah wrote:What were your calculations for the $4600 credit?

2 of the engineers I spoke with suggested that I'd get around $4400 for the 6kW of panels.
One I spoke to was driving and pulled figures out of his head for me to calculate while I was on the phone with him. They are ... 6kW of panels multiplied by 1.382 (don't know what that's for) multiplied by 15 (years, I think) to give STC's awarded. STC's multiplied by $36 he remembered it being gives around $4400.
He also suggested I check out http://www.green-bank.com.au/calculator ... alculator/ and plug the figures in myself. The STC's are $38 at the moment equating to around $4700

I can understand those that are doing all they can to reduce GH gasses thru using renewables but if the government wants to wave that sort of cash in my face it is hard to say no.

I assumed that most of the forum members would have taken advantage of the STC's on offer.
From the 4600 or so CEC installers and designers in Australia I would also assume that quite a few Aussies take advantage of the STC's

Maybe I've hit a raw nerve of a few installers on this forum?
I'm sorry if that offends, but while your out to make a buck, I'm out to save one.

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Re: What's a good price for a design?

Postby davidg » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:31 am

Chaff_Cutter wrote:I assumed that most of the forum members would have taken advantage of the STC's on offer. From the 4600 or so CEC installers and designers in Australia I would also assume that quite a few Aussies take advantage of the STC's


I do install but, I didn't apply for STC's for on my own system/s. I have a total 8.2kW's, will be adding more shortly, which again will not be applying for STC's. I have the odd customer that decides they will not apply for them because of what they are used for.

It's actually about the fact of how or what an electrician license covers. Lets take the fan, if it's a plugin device no you don't need a license to plug it in , however if you wish the wiring for the outlet to plug it into is licensed work.

Essentially any fixed wiring and any installation where the voltage exceeds 50VAC and 120VDC ripple free is licensed work, plugging in an appliance is not.
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