Climate Change - Yes or No

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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby mysolarbackup01 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:21 pm

hey... Yes climate is changing everyday. It is all due to global warmming. Global warmming is very harmful for us. It changing our climate.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby Joey » Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:18 am

mysolarbackup01 wrote:hey... Yes climate is changing everyday. It is all due to global warmming. Global warmming is very harmful for us. It changing our climate.

Ah that probably explains why some countries are going through the coldest winters on record , obviously not enough C02 over there so I think the only answer is for governments to introduce a C02 depletion tax.

Yes you are right about one thing the climate is changing everyday , always has and always will , it's commonly known as weather unless of course you wish to profit from something so natural then just call it global warming / climate change.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby zzsstt » Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:13 pm

Some of the most vocal supporters of "global warmming" frequently seem to be trying to profit from it.

I just clicked on a link to an American website which is pushing a solar backup system comprising an 80W solar battery charger (AU$230 on eBay), a 51ah AGM battery (AU$220 from our host), and a 120V inverter (AU$335 on eBay for a 240V one). This amounts to AU$785, or US$705.

Put them in a box with a few wires, and sell them at the "special" price of US$1697 plus US$120 shipping, reduced from the "retail" price of US$2197

mysolarbackup01 wrote:Global warmming is very harmful for us. It changing our climate.


Not sure about that, but certainly "It lining our pockets" ;)
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby Gordon-Loomberah » Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:00 am

zzsstt wrote:Some of the most vocal supporters of "global warmming" frequently seem to be trying to profit from it.


So... that would be nothing at all like the climate deniers in the coal/petroleum etc industries, who clearly dont want to make more profits? Come on, get real!

Many people try to make profits from whatever they can, be it heroin dealing, digging up coal, selling solar panels, or selling home made jam at the corner shop.

So what?

Its an argument dragged up by the sceptics/deniers all the time that has absolutely no relevance to the problem.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby bpratt » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:48 am

Gordon-Loomberah wrote:Its an argument dragged up by the sceptics/deniers all the time that has absolutely no relevance to the problem.


Without trying to be rude (I'm really good at that!), isn't that just the same argument the pro-climate change people drag up all the time to ridicule the skeptics ?


It works both ways, the people promoting the idea of global warming, denigrate the skeptics because they have something to gain, and on the other side of the coin, the skeptics denigrate the global warming advocate because they too have something to financially gain from their side. :)


For some climate change was on the cards all the time, regardless of human interaction, although the human race appears to have accelerated it.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby Joey » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:17 pm

Deny it or accept it , make millions or nothing at all it's only taking advantage of a situation we have no control over.
There is "nothing" we can do ! absolutely nothing ! the climate is going to change just like it always has whether humans are here or not , with all our combined knowledge so far we have been able achieve what ? Nothing!
The only real way we can stop what global warming believers we are doing it to stop living all together but it's overall effect on climate change will be nothing.
I suppose it gives people purpose to believe that they can make a difference , the more information and research they invest in the more their purpose grows "in their own minds" , the net effect is better arguments , more figures and of course better counter arguments to those that don't share their understanding of ideals.
Despite all this life is going on as normal , some are making a new living , some a fortune out of nature.

If global warming was real and anything but a natural phenomenon I would be really worried now because if the cause is C02 Emissions their production throughout the world is growing at a staggering rate , not reducing.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby greg c » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:28 pm

Deny it or accept it , make millions or nothing at all it's only taking advantage of a situation we have no control over.


That is the problem, we have ultimate control over it. Wether we do anything about it is another matter. There is no other reason CO2 concentration is going up but us. Name any natural process that would put CO2 levels up this high in less than 250 years. There isn't any, at least not at this start level. If we let the planet warm significantly we may see one though.

Also where is the evidence that dealing with the issue will put us in the dark ages. It is possible to get all our electricity generated by renewable resources, therefore our standard of living will not fall. If we let global warming continue we could make life a lot harder for some (a lot) people on the planet though.

Just because the sky is still blue when you get up does not mean global warming is not happening. Ditto very cold winters in some parts of the world. Do you really expect the temperature to go up smoothly in order to prove global warming. If you live in the world you know it does not work like that. In fact weather extremes are predicted in the climate models, Pakistani Floods, Victorian Bushfires all fit. When Europe had a very severe winter in 2008 I think it was still the 2nd hottest year on record overall. Obviously some areas were a lot warmer than average, but we didn't hear about them in the media (not as dramatic pictures).

By the way, I have nothing to gain from this except try and ensure my kids and their kids have a world that is good to live in.

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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby Joey » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:02 am

Greg I have mentioned this before but if we were to put a blanket over Australia , it would take less than a week for CO2 emissions around the world negate any reductions we could achieve.
Population growth and industry is expanding at a faster rate across the planet than the combined efforts of all believers in Global Warming are preventing.

There is absolutely no link between natural disasters of recent times and so called Climate Change / Global Warming , Hottest or coldest temps on "record" is the key word , accurate records are a product of recent technology which is nothing in terms of the time it is believed earth has existed for.
Scientist all believe earth has been through several ice ages , floods , catastrophic global events long before CO2 emissions where even conceived.

You are dreaming if you think we have any control over future global temperatures and events no matter how noble your objectives may be .
Doing it for our Kids and their kids is always a nice way to turn logical events into emotional ones , although the results are the same , The "do it for your kids and your grandchildren" is one of those cheesy sales pitches used by politicians all the time , salesmen also get good mileage from it a well.
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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby davidh » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:57 am

Global warming 101

Now everyone knows it's hot on Venus, right?
Well of course it is ...

And it would be easy to say that Venus is hotter because it's closer to the Sun than Earth, right?
Yes again ...

Ok, so Mercury being closer to the Sun than Venus is going to be even hotter, right?
Aahh, just let me check on that ... where are you going with this ... is this a trick question?

In fact, or course, Venus is hotter, both day & night, than Mercury. Mercury is below freezing at night.
Venus, on the other hand, is hotter at night than Mercury is in daytime, even though Venus is further away from the Sun than Mercury. And, Venus is the one temperature, day & night.

Why is it so? Try not to think too hard about this, the answer is pretty simple really. Venus has a lot of a certain kind of gas in its atmosphere, which causes it to retain heat, but Mercury's atmosphere is much thinner, so it does not retain heat from the Sun ...
... and which gas would that be?

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Re: Climate Change - Yes or No

Postby davidh » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:18 am

Just who is Marius Klopper anyway?

Oh yeah, that's right, he is the head of BHPBilliton ... just about the biggest mining company on the planet.

So why would he think the world needs a carbon tax?
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