What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby melmik » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:17 am

I asked the meter question of Secure Australia, who make/distribute the i-credit range of meters. this is specific to the i-credit 400 only - of which I'm sure there are lots of NSW gross metering customers. Interestingly the person who gave me the info wondered why someone would want to change from gross to net - suggesting they didn't realise that NSW customers FIT scheme was ending. You'd think that a major meter company would be ramping up production for the end of the year - unless Secure aren't supplying the meters.

"The i-Credit 400 is supplied in both 1 Element (solar net metering) & 2 Element (solar gross metering).
If you’re on a gross tariff you’ll have 2 element meter installed. Moving to net metering will require a meter with different firmware and tariff configuration installed and as such the use of a 1 element meter.

At the time of installation if you had chosen gross metering for your solar connection the only meter that is capable of this is a 2 element meter i.e. 1 element for light/power consumption (import) the other element for solar gross (export/generation).
On the other hand, if you had chosen net metering at the time of installation the electricity distributor would have installed a 1 element meter (your import consumption is deducted from your export generation giving you a positive or negative reading).
So it comes down to the choice between net and gross metering as to what meter is installed.

Moreover, the way the calculation is done for solar and net in the firmware of the meter is different so simply updating the tariff will not work. The meter needs to be changed out for a single element meter should you opt for net metering."

So it seems those of us on gross with an i-credit 400 HAVE to change meters. Next question will be what tariffs our retailers will offer and if they will be the same as for non-solar customers, or if they charge us a higher price and then give back 6c a kW....
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby pat » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:43 am

Well recieved my letter informing me that 60c fit is coming the end but really nothing in letter that I haven't already found out from this forum or my own investigation on the matter......Also rang origin to ask what they intend to pay customers for their exported solar power when 2017 comes round and they didn't know as nothing has been finalised yet , nothing like leaveing it to the last minute so melmik secure australia isn't the only one thats stumbleing in the dark.......
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby australsolarier » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:59 am

yeah, i got that letter that is not much saying too

by chance was talking to a solar installer here in NSW and he reckons they will install a new meter.
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby Tracker » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:10 pm

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We have received two letters just confirming the END..
I think they are just covering their buts...... so no one will be surprised..
I know folk who had no idea it had a time limit, despite having been told.. they just chose to forget that small detail..

I am still curious as to what will happen with my meter(s), as the SOALR EXPORT meter is already dual element and recording IMPORT and EXPORT...
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NSW ,What's Happening 2017

Postby GarnZ » Mon May 30, 2016 8:06 pm

Does anyone know what is happening to the NSW rebate and incentive payment that reduces our electricity Bills in 2017?.

There does seem to be a "cloak of secrecy" surrounding this subject!
I understand that the current solar energy, that we contribute to our grid, will be subject to a drastic reduced subsidy of payment!

Any comments happily received.
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby melmik » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:24 am

Hi GarnZ,

There's a lot of info in this post and on the Renewable Energy Rebates And Incentives section.

Basically if you receive either 20c or 60c a kW on the NSW gross feed in tariff scheme (GFIT) it is ending on Dec 31 and your elec retailer will probably have to change your meter and only pay you around 6c per kW.

If you only currently get around 6c on a net metering plan, you will continue getting that as long as your retailer feels like paying the NSW ''voluntary'' payment.

If you are on a GFIT scheme you should have got a letter from the NSW govt advising, but it is probably worth a call to your retailer - eg Origin....who will tell you not much at the moment as they are still deciding what to do and how much to pay.

On a side issue, I dont know whether to laugh or cry at Origins Predictable Plan. I wonder how many people are missing the point and thinking they can use as much electricity as they want and only pay a set amount....ignoring that it is only set FOR 12 MONTHS....THEN THE SET AMOUNT IS REVISED....

Obviously it is an attempt by Origin to build demand (and revenue), and on those points it is a shitty scheme from both customer service and environmental responsibility perspectives. And for some unknown reason it isnt available for solar customers......discrimination anyone?

It could be a decent way of evening out your bills over the year, as long as you closely monitor your usage and dont go wild. A decent company would send you warnings if your quarterly usage was getting excessive (like phone companies were forced to), but I cannot see that happening, given their "'use as much as you want'' attitude.
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby Tracker » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:18 am

We are all wondering what will happen Jan 1st..

Will we be cut adrift, and thus treated like ALL the other solar-folk..
That is logical - we have had the benefit, and then it's gone..

But they had better know that MANY will be looking at options, and the most basic will be to install a system that charges from the solar peak and uses during the electricity peak..
OR
we will be just disconnecting, and MAKE ourselves responsible for what power we use..

Suppliers seem to be talking more and more about batteries, and as mentioned, Qld. were talking about supplying batteries to those prepared to volunteer to jump from the GFIT gravy-boat..
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby jules » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:34 pm

Quote melmik:

Obviously it is an attempt by Origin to build demand (and revenue), and on those points it is a shitty scheme from both customer service and environmental responsibility perspectives. And for some unknown reason it isnt available for solar customers......discrimination anyone?


Groan, Telcos and electricity retailers have become experts in creating schemes with so many bewildering options it takes an age to figure out the least worst option.

Right now, the best option for a consumer might be to hold off on going to batteries for 4 or 5 years in which time they will probably cost half or less than they do now. Maybe the interim plan could be to add a truckload of panels?

If we get to the stage where its cost effective [and permissible!] to disconnect from the grid in the future, consumers will be in a much stronger bargaining position if power retailers need their input to, for example, smooth the air-con peaks in summer.
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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby davidg » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:49 pm

jules wrote: [and permissible!] to disconnect from the grid in the future, consumers will be in a much stronger bargaining position if power retailers need their input to, for example, smooth the air-con peaks in summer.

It's perfectly permissible right now for the whole of OZ (apparently there are couple isolated pockets in QLD) where it may not be however I think it could be challenged and win in court, a matter of good legal, I suspect.

However, if the distributors get their way in the future that option might disappear, although the last time they suggested it, there was a huge public backlash, that scared the hell out of them.

Batteries are highly unlikely to get cheaper. If government gets involved it will drive the cost up not down, due increased compliance, new other new really idiotic regs, training, stupid additional "protection rules", etc, all getting in the way. Wait and see.

I know for certain in VIC you can disconnect tomorrow, if you want there's not a thing a distributor or retailer can actually do to stop you. In fact contrary to what a retailer might say if you have a smart meter you cancel your account and have it finalised the same day. I've done it and I can tell they really, really don't like it at all. EWOV fixes their boat, quick smart. ;)

Then if you want from there the only cost you would have is a meter abolishment charge, although after a few years they want to come and take them away anyway which they will then do, for no cost :lol: . Done that too :lol:

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Re: What's next (after the end of the GFiT)?

Postby jules » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:19 am

due increased compliance, new other new really idiotic regs, training, stupid additional "protection rules", etc, all getting in the way.


:D This is totally off topic but I'm increasingly driven mad by the number of products that come with documentation, 90% of which consists of warnings that you could die if the product is misused. The associated problem is that there's bugger all advice on how to actually use or service the product.

Gone are the days when a manual included many pages of well thought out guidance and well set up photos of blokes in immaculate white coats working on shiny new machines in pristine workshops.
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