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GAS Fiasco.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:59 am
by GarnZ
There is no doubt electrical solar and wind energy will be able to be stored in the future.
Now we have this problem of “Gas”!
Do we think gas is absolutely required to source more energy, in the way of gas-fired turbines or is it necessary as a piped source for industry.
I’ve read Australian industry requires gas to continue as a viable and economic resource…. Is this true?
Let’s say its true!
Then our solution may be, to deny all domestic users of this commodity and leave it purely for industry.
All domestic users do not require gas.
We must forget the famous adage “but, I’ve always cooked with gas!”. This must come to an end in this crisis.

I have not done the statistics on what volume of gas could be saved, by diverting domestic gas to industrial gas and depriving of all householders of this service, perhaps it should be looked at!
Am I leaving out something? Am I over-simplifying a mammoth problem. BTW, I’m against fracking.
RegardZ.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:46 am
by lantern
How can there be a gas shortage when there are three gas export terminals being built in Gladstone.
They are just spinning us BS.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:54 am
by Gordon-Loomberah
The big gas companies have overcommitted to export volumes, as there were good prices on offer, and they could extract it cheaply, and that's forced up local pricing to parity with export prices, making it one of the most expensive ways to generate electricity. Apparently some companies are making losses on the exporting at the moment, so they wont be paying income tax on it. I think the SA govt is throwing money away in spending $360,000,000 on a 250MW gas generator, that will only be used occasionally, even if they had the gas to run it.
How large a PV array + pumped hydro storage system, which could be used every day without producing pollution or destroying farmland, could you build for that cost?
However, in regards to the so-called gas crisis for domestic use, gas isn't very efficient for water heating or cooking in the house, so my advice is to disconnect and go all electric, maybe just keep the gas for the BBQ.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:31 am
by Bthree
GarnZ wrote:Then our solution may be, to deny all domestic users of this commodity and leave it purely for industry.


Don't forget Bottled gas ... Cars, BBQ, Camping, and a lot of domestic heating.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:31 pm
by GarnZ
Bthree wrote:Don't forget Bottled gas ... Cars, BBQ, Camping, and a lot of domestic heating.


Thanks Bthree, I did forget those items. I am being a bit harsh
1. Cars & buses , which ain't industrial connected, will have to convert back to diesel/ petrol. or be given three years to change vehicles.
2. BBQ's allowed (however may be a bit pricey in long term) Commecial eat- houses will be allowed.
3. Camping established sites. Maybe go soft on this?
4. Domestic heating... Phased out after 3 years (industrial use only). Won't be popular!

RegardZ.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:45 pm
by davidg
Big difference between

LNG = Liquid Natural Gas this what is being exported.

LPG = Liquid Petroleum Gas by product from crude oil.

not in general use for houses etc, unless not connected to the reticulated gas system.