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Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Grid

Postby station240 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:36 pm

Very in depth article, looks at customers leaving the grid entirely. Cross subsidies where houses that output solar power in peak periods, pay the premium for peak power when they draw from the grid at other times. And the usual gold plated power grid upgrades, and predictions for purchase costs on battery storage systems.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/12/15/australian-networks-concede-one-third-of-consumers-could-go-off-grid/
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Postby Tracker » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:22 pm

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And, how arrogant of Julie Bishop to announce on the world stage, that Australia was addressing the renewable energy demands , by creating a distributed private PV network, all feeding power to the grid..
She makes no mention that retailers will be adding a new service charge, for each PV Exporter..

So much for our Government's plans for renewable power.. Encourage people to set up PV and then charge them for the right to export power.. :cry:

Needless to say that for the average home, one would suspect that the amount earned per day for Net-Export, will be completely swamped by the Connection.Charge, meaning you WILL be paying for the right to use your own power, from your own PV system.. :evil:

So, as for the prediction that many will go off grid.... I agree..

And I wonder if there will be a.new industry spawned, where companies convert you to off grid and then SELL you your own power, but at a significant discount over the domestic retail rates..

PS... I suspect that the MAIN reason for reluctance to go off grid, will be the technological uncertainty of dealing with a battery system..
It is easy to deal with a.GridConnect PV system.. grandma, can do it..
either the light flashes or it does not.. If not, then something is wrong and call for service..
But with battery ... what happens when the grand kids put all their washing thru the dryer, and the system shuts down on low battery .. No, the average camper will find that being off-grid is just too much trouble... :cry:
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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby bpratt » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:51 am

Gee, that's a surprise that people will go offgrid when it gets too hard (i.e. expensive) to remain on grid !

I just hope I can afford to go offgrid before the power companies get on to the politicians to make a law like the water companies have in their favour, where if water goes past, you have to pay for it even if you don't connect.
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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby offgridQLD » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:25 am

No, the average camper will find that being off-grid is just too much trouble... :cry:


Yes i think this is true.

Most people are so demanding with everything. It's like ....Oh so your telling me I cant run my Aluminum smelter if theirs a few days of consecutive cloud cover?

It's the same with a 100% electric car. 'Oh so your telling me that I cant drive from Brisbane to the Gold coast 16 times a day?

It's always the same complaints..why don't (they) this? . Why don't (they)that? why is it so hard? Demands demands and unrealistic expectations.

If the over demanding customers don't like it come up with something better yourself . Respect the limitations of what physically viable with today's tech at the various price points. Appreciate what is involved in making it all happen, build something yourself or go back to the stone age.

It's become the thinking of a lot of people today. Why cant I have everything for nothing without compromise.

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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby davidg » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:52 pm

bpratt wrote:before the power companies get on to the politicians to make a law like the water companies have in their favour, where if water goes past, you have to pay for it even if you don't connect.

That in fact is untrue, well for Victoria anyway. You can in fact disconnect from water and sewerage in Victoria, it's a bit a pain to do, but you most certainly can do it in Victoria. What you cannot get out of in Victoria is the parks and gardens charge if you are within a specific radius of Melb.
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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby station240 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:56 am

The only fix I can see is to meter per minute (or even second), for both power drawn from the grid, and power supplied back.

It swings both ways, if I decided to dump the contents of my (dream) bank of batteries to the grid during periods of high demand, I get rewarded.
If Bob decides to fire up his million Amp Aluminum smelter :lol: during the half time break of the AFL grand final (or some other pointless big sporting event), then he gets a bill printed sideways on A3 paper so the numbers fit on one line.

This article just proves how broken the current system is. Big power stations get paid extra for Peek demand power (to pay for starting an extra turbine for example), but nothing for solar/wind generation. Averaging the per Kwh rate over the entire day is just unfair for everyone. The only way to save anything in offpeak periods is if you have offpeak hotwater, again why, why not cheaper for everything ?
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Postby lantern » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:59 am

That in fact is untrue, well for Victoria anyway.

Very true in NSW.
Where I work we are not connected to the town water. We still have to pay the quarterly connection fee.
so about $224 per year for nothing.

I fully expect to go off grid at the end of 2016.
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Postby Whitespeed » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:00 am

davidg wrote:That in fact is untrue, well for Victoria anyway.

I can confirm that in Vic you don't have to connect to water, we have mains running across the front of our block, and the right to connect.

We where given the choice when we applied for our planning permit and chose not to. Council and central vic water where fine with our choice.

The upside is we save around $1500 a year in water charges :D
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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby bpratt » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:25 pm

davidg wrote:
bpratt wrote:before the power companies get on to the politicians to make a law like the water companies have in their favour, where if water goes past, you have to pay for it even if you don't connect.

That in fact is untrue, well for Victoria anyway.


That's handy for you guys, and in fact I dare say should the day ever come where electricity companies want to be able to charge you for the availability of an electrical connection, you would have better grounds down there to object to it, as you don't have to have water connected/or paid for even if you don't.
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Re: Networks Concede One Third Of Consumers Could Go Off Gri

Postby melmik » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:09 pm

I think Tracker is spot on. It is the uncertainty, lack of confidence, lack of education, Australian inertia, and probably the fear of losing the 'reliability' of the grid that is stopping grandma, and many others from going offgrid.

The really, really stupid thing is that consumers, government and the energy industry could benefit - if the entrenched idiots in the energy industry actually moved their production to renewables.

Most of us would happily buy renewable generated energy from existing generators - at a fair cost of course...simply because it would be perceived (and actually) easier than going off grid.
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