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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby KarenS » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 am

MichaelB wrote:Hi Karen,

It certainly was a curious turn of phrase and interpretation of the situation from the government.

There's been so much upheaval in the industry over the last couple of days, we're still all catching our breath and I haven't spoken at length to EM management about it all to get our official comment on the situation for an article; but I hope to publish something next week. I'll try to get some figures together as well.

We may be able to provide some feedback to the government via the article; so if anyone is happy to have their comments quoted, please indicate that in further comments below. I can't promise we'll get them all into one article, but enough to generally represent the views of some of the people affected who really want the Green Loans program to continue. We have quite a few politicians who follow our news stories and some may even follow this thread.


Michael,

Feel free to quote etc, and further to my post the other day :-

(BTW, I wouldn't really expect anyone to be able to come up with comparative statistics for Loans and Assessment reports issued or assessments carried out but not yet reported. One wonders, sometimes, whether DEWHA can count anything at all :roll: ) Anyway ...

" the discontinuation of the less popular loans component next month to provide for the significant boost to assessment availability;"

Some person or group with some clout needs to explain to the author of the above statement that there are some problems with the premise on which it is based ...

1. The Loans component would be a helluva lot more popular if people who had had their houses assessed were actually in receipt of their Assessment Reports!!! You can't apply for a loan till you have your report, and there are plenty of anecdotes in this and other fora of people who were assessed in October, and who are still don't have their report! DEWHA needs to get assessments processed much quicker than they have to date!

2. It's probably far too late for this one, but the software which spits out the reports needs serious revision - there is a crazy statement somewhere on the "Eligible Items Certificate" (I think??) which says something to the effect that this assessment is a personalised one, tailored to 'your home', which is patent twaddle!!!

As long as the certificates permit you to do things which you have already done, or things which are impossible, then people are going to be at best bemused, and more likely angry or p%%%ed off, and they are less likely to apply for a loan.

(As an example, I have a recommendation to connect to natural gas all my cooking, hot water heating and space heating. I already HAVE a gas stove and gas space heating, and a fully functional heat pump HWS. There is also a recommendation that I change my HWS to a gas-boosted solar one. (min 25 RECS) I'm afraid that 25 RECS is not sufficient incentive for me to change my heat pump HWS to anything - there are no other incentives from either state or c'wlth to do so, and I see no point anyway, when in many other places they are trying to ENCOURAGE people to install heat pumps!!! The only cooking I do other than with natural gas is in the microwave; I have yet to find someone selling a gas-fired microwave oven ;-)) There are others who have the "connect to natural gas" recommendation, who live in the bush, some hundreds of kms from the nearest piped gas supply!)

3. For those who have been lucky enough to get one of these edifying documents, there have often been frustrating dealings with financial institutions. Many FIs don't seem to know how the scheme was supposed to work, and there are tales of people being told that they should get whatever work done, and present the invoices to the financial institution for payment; others have been told that the FI must approve what work is done, and similar idiocies! No wonder the "loans component" is allegedly less popular!!!
In general, credit unions seem to be better than most banks at dealing with Green Loans, and while some are reported to be exemplary, there are others which aren't necessarily good, just less bad!

4. And what strange thinking lead the author of the press release to think that increasing assessments without the loans is going to do anything other than employ a bundle of assessors????? While many assessors desperately need some employment, and providing that in a more orderly fashion than seems to have been the case to date is an excellent outcome, I was under the (mis?)apprehension that the scheme was actually devised to encourage people to green their houses, or decrease their energy use, or live more sustainably etc etc.

Having someone go through his house and tell Joe McMansion-dweller what he can do to be greener, and then have an internally inconsistent and/or inapplicable list of suggestions sent to him, is unlikely to make anything useful happen at all. He's probably flat out trying to work out whether his new insulation is going to burn his house down, and working out how he can pay for the 77 Isolites he needs to deal with his downlights, and for someone to install them and fix the rest of the dodgy stuff in his roof!!

I think the decision to discontinue the Green Loans is precipitous, ill-founded, and another example of the crazy knee-jerk reactions that the bureaucrats in DEWHA seem to be produce every time the tabloid press starts yelping. If some of the bureaucrats got cracking and processed assessment reports and sent them out, and wrote and distributed some clear guidelines for financial institutions, we would all be better served. If they're stumbling under the pressure of the high speed Rudd-mobile, they should be asking for more staff, not less work!!!
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby MichaelB » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:12 pm

Hi again folks,

I've been pressed for time this morning and still haven't spoken at length with Energy Matters management about an official comment, but I wanted to get something up sooner rather than later, so here it is:

http://www.energymatters.com.au/index.p ... cle_id=776

I hope I have covered most of the major points people have been reporting. If I have missed something, please let me know.

If you know of other people who have been affected by this decision, encourage them to add their comments in this thread as well.
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby kalindriel » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:14 pm

The Green loans website has been updated and now says

The Minister announced that the less popular loans component of the program will be discontinued next month. Loans will be discontinued from 22 March 2010. Note that eligibility for loans under the Green Loans program is determined by financial institutions subject to the lending criteria of the financial institution being satisfied.


So, people with assessments, go to your lender of choice right away to try and get in before the door closes.

People waiting on assessments - if you have contact info for your assessor, get in touch with them. I have heard that in some cases they can send a soft copy of the assessment report which a bank will accept to set up the loan.

There is more info on the website for assessors.
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby stux » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:06 pm

I had my Assessment performed in early November but haven't heard a thing about it since, including the report.

Of course I haven't applied for the Green Loan yet as I need the report... but I have managed to get all the quotes I wanted for Solar PV/HW, and in fact have had the SHW installed... luckily, as I *just* scraped in with the NSW and Federal rebates.

Now they say they're going to cancel the loans component of the program because of poor uptake, what a load!

Anyway, I was trying to find my assessor's number today to call her, but she called me instead in order to check on progress... and was not too surprised when she heard we hadn't heard anything from the deptartment etc.

She said that the Assessors Association (or whatever it is called) is going to be doing a segment with A Current Affair, I hope so.

Its rapidly becoming obvious that this government is incompetent.
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby Inspector » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:24 pm

I reckon history is going to repeat itself...

Just like the first solar rebate scheme, there will be a mad rush on green loan applications within the last days prior to March 22, with hundreds of people complaining to lender/assessor/govt and media stating they had their assessments done months ago, and only just received their report, to be able to apply for the loan.

Maybe the tabloid tv programs wont be able to run the story in time for the powers-that-be to retract their cancellation in time for loan applicants to successfully apply for their loans...

Has there been any mention of what applies to the cut-off for the green loans? Would it be the assessment date, or the date the report is received, or the date the applicant applies for the loan?

When the Minister said "Note that eligibility for loans under the Green Loans program is determined by financial institutions subject to the lending criteria of the financial institution being satisfied.", it doesn't mean anything if the reports were never issued to begin with!
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby stux » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:09 pm

7:30 Report just had the Green Loans fiasco as Story #2 for the night
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby Inspector » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:13 pm

stux wrote:7:30 Report just had the Green Loans fiasco as Story #2 for the night


I missed it, and it's not up on the ABC website yet (that I can find, anyway) although there seems to be other recent relevant stories about it. I might try again later in the week...
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby David Chung » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:52 am

The story is now available to view on their website http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby Fairsy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:05 am

The story was a good start to portraying the program in its real light but needs to be dug out a bit more. Garretts answer regarding the fate of the 100000 of us who have not received their reports was ambigous as all hell.

This was his feeble effort at answering the question which really just opened up new questions

"In relation to those that have received that paperwork and have processed the loans and taken an application, obviously that will be the process that's underway. In relation to those that haven't, the Government's made its decision that it's gonna concentrate on assessments at this point in time, not on the loans component."

What this quote says to me is he is just not on top of his portfolio, how can us forumites know more about the program than the Minister responsible. He is clearly not a man of detail. Guys we need to keep hammering the press to explore this issue further.
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Re: GREEN LOANS

Postby Tracker » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:00 pm

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Thank God, that they are near gone !

Sorry for all those who saw it as a serious Career-Path, BUT....

Spoke to a customer a short time ago and he said that he was door-knocked a week or so ago, by an "Energy Assessor" who with the now infamous introduction declared that "he was from the Govt. and here to help."

The annoying thing, is that the silly customer let him in to do the assessment.

The home owner rejected everything that was suggested, as being impractical -- Like 'double-glazing' and "replace all those down lights that you just spent $3000 on" etc. etc.

The interesting thing was who was doing the assessment - A muso' from a band backing group.
"Lots of us are doing it coz we can do 5 or 6 a day, 5 days a week, and still do our Muso' thing at night"

That's $125,000 a year to someone who attended a few hours training, in things to look for... !

Thank God it's gone..
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