i'm in the know as much as i've spent the time to talk to the ombudsman, have a case opened, talked to the "policy people" within energy unit of DPI on what the policy is, and talked to various retailers and distributors and found the clueful "solar" people.
Excellent, I have worked for 30 years in Distribution, Retail and Metering and know the metering, tariffs, policy and regulations quite well as I work with them every day, so I know a little bit too.
i'm not here to argue semantics with you but here are where your errors are:
1. you're calling a "2-rate" (peak/off-peak) a "flat rate tariff". it is not. it is 2-rate which IS a TOU tariff because there are different rates for different times.
a flat-rate is where there is a fixed c/kWh regardless of time of day. i.e. what we are on right now, AGL GD/GR tariff which is a fixed ~19.something c/kWh regardless of time of day
I'm sorry but again you are resorting to a pi%%ing competition about who you know rather than what you know, and present no evidence to support your claim?
Theres no semantics involved, You are "absolutely" wrong in your description of a 2 rate tariff as a Time of Use tariff, yes it quotes "peak" and "offpeak"pricing, but it is simply GD/GR flat rate combined with a Y8 dedicated circuit off-peak tariff, ie 2 circuits and 2 meters, this is the typical tariff and arrangement for electric hotwater customers across Victoria other than those on electronic two element meters and a ToU tariff such as Winner.
Historically the flat rate for General Power and Light has been called "peak" while the dedicated controlled load to hotwater etc has been called "off-peak" but neither changes over to the other rate at any time, ie they are not in anyway "Time" of "Use".
I suspect You are getting confused between a two rate meter which is a type 6 meter capable of ToU, and a 2 two rate tariff as described above, these terms are poorly understood and EWOV and the Energy Unit of DPI are hardly experts in this area.
In that Tru Energy tariff that you scanned the situation is:
Tariff Unit Ex GST Inc GST
All Peak Consumption c/kWh 19.1800 21.0980
> This rate is GD and applies 24 h 7 days a week it is titled "Peak" and there is no "off-peak" rate on the GD circuit.
All Off Peak Consumption c/kWh 10.7000 11.7700
> This rate is Y8 and is applied to a second meter for hotwater etc, it is titled "offpeak" - and there is no "peak" rate on the Y8 circuit.
'From the ESC Choice Website" http://www.yourchoice.vic.gov.au/
How to determine your meter type Electricity -
Your meter type (electricity only)
Single Rate Two-Rate Time of use Unsure
Meter Types Single-rate meters are used to measure all electricity consumed (there are no separate peak and off-peak tariffs).
Two-rate meters are used to measure electricity consumed for normal light and power (peak tariffs). They are also used to separately measure electricity for electric hot water and/or space heating (off-peak tariffs).
Time-of-use meters are used to measure all electricity consumed at night/weekends (off-peak tariffs)
From the EWOV site http://www.ewov.com.au/GotaProblem/Aboutmeters/Analoguemeters1.aspx
They are the old style – with a spinning disk and a row of figures that keeps adding up usage – like a car’s odometer. The meter reading data on the bill can be compared to what the meter is showing. If a supply address is supplied with peak and off-peak electricity, there will be two meters and a time-switch. Please note that analogue meters can be used for electricity, gas and water.
Reading an analogue meter: Please note that the hands rotate in different directions. Standing directly in front of the meter, read the dials from left to right. If a hand is between two numbers, note the lower number, except when the hand is between 0 and 9 in which case, read 9. In the example on the right, the meter reads 04508
2. where you state "The Moratorium applies to mandatory change of tariffs by some Distributors to Roll out customers, that is not the situation being debated here (customers choosing to apply for a PFiT tariff)", that isn't accurate.
you're implying that BECAUSE of PFIT then the moratorium does not apply. in fact, the moratorium doesn't apply for SFIT either. even if you don't want a "premium" on exported power you still cannot keep a non-TOU (AGL GD/GR) tariff.
I am stating, not implying, that the moratorium on moving customers onto ToU tariffs relates to Smart meters installed in the rollout, and does not apply to other changes of installation such as PFiT, the Ministerial reply quoted above clearly confirms that, and that is how the industry is applying the policy.
You seem to acknowledge that in your statement above as well as you suggest it doesnt apply to SFIT eitherl, so I cant see where you have demonstrated any error in my statements in regard to this.
However you are wrong in regards to the impact on SFiT......
in fact, the moratorium doesn't apply for SFIT either. even if you don't want a "premium" on exported power you still cannot keep a non-TOU (AGL GD/GR) tariff
This may be a unique AGL Retail "policy", but in most distribution businesses there is no current policy requirement to move to ToU from GD or GD/Y8 if installing SFiT, thats a function of SFIT policy not the Moratorium or PFiT.
Rather than replying with references to "who you know" and the policies "they think" apply, please provide links/evidence of the application of policy by the industry.
DPI only assists in setting Government energy "policy" and influencing Industry policy, the government only sets "industry" policy through legislation or Orders in Council which is very infrequent.
Tariffs are approved by the independent regulators such as ESC/AER. the Moratorium is not legislated, it is voluntary, and does not override other industry policies, as shown by the Ministerial letter of reply quoted above and which you seem to totally ignore?
I suggest you contact Tru and ask them to confirm if you are on a "Time of Use" or a "2 Rate" tariff.....
i'm not with TRU as a retailer so the point is moot.
I understand then that you are still on an AGL GD/GR tariff and I assume you dont have off-peak electric hotwater?
This is known as a Single Rate Tariff (its flat rate), a Two Rate Tariff is simply that same arrangement with a second meter dedicated to off-peak hotwater. (both are flat rates, but one has two flat rates!)
You claim to know how Tru Energy's "two rate" tariff works, yet you are not their customer or on that tariff? I invite you to ring them on "133466" and confirm how "Their" two rate tariff works to confirm or deny your claims of it being "Time of Use", rather than relying on the Energy Unit of DPI, or others? - I look forward to your relaying of their advice to you back to the forum?
You havent presented any evidence to your claim it is a "Time of Use" Tariff and wont be able to do so as it is Not!, You havent presented any independent support of your opinion to counter any of the links and quotes I have provided on this issue?
This is not semantics, or a moot point, you are providing unsubstantiated opinions, unsupported by any facts? other than "I'm in the know"????
Simply utilise the ESC choice website and compare the "Two-Rate" tariffs to the "Time of Use" for Tru Energy and other retailers - http://www.yourchoice.vic.gov.au/
the "point" is not moot, its very relevent to your unsubstatiated claims that the tariff is ToU.
the EM1200 meter that Jemena/UED are due to be installing within 20 business days will apparently NOT be programmed with two interval registers (even though it could be).
instead it will simply account for import + export in 30 minute increments and that is how the meter will be read.
the retailer's backend billing will need to take that interval data and derive a peak+offpeak from it.
The EM1200 is a two element meter, in that two element form it can be used for GD/Y8 or ToU "Winner", it is an interval meter, to use the two elements (two circuits) requires two 30 minute interval data streams E1 and E2, if it isnt being programmed with two it sounds as if it will be installed as a single element configuration, which is fine if you dont have off-peak electric hotwater which is implied from your reference to GD/GR tariff as your current arrangements.
In a single element or E1 data stream configuration the data can still be processed into either a Flat Rate GD tariff or a ToU Winner tariff.
If the retailers backend billing is going to derive a peak and offpeak consumption from the single E1 interval data stream then that would result in a ToU tariff being applied.
If you have solar generation there will be another 30 minute interval data stream for the export to the grid, this is the B data stream.
I suspect you are being moved to a Retail and Network ToU tariff ?
I assume you are aware of that if that is correct, and that may be well the basis of your current EWOV case, as I thought the whole thrust of your argument was that you didnt want that to happen, and that you thought "DPI" policy had a moratorium that stopped that happening?
I guess you can let EWOV sort it out for you?
I am pleased to see you have created a way to log instaneous readings from the "Watts Clever" and create quasy interval data, well done. Unfortunately if the "Watts Clever" is monitoring current flow its accuracy will be quite questionable and there could be at times up to 20% error between it and the actual energy flows measured by the meter
(Please look up "power factor" before you come back arguing againt me, as its the basis of my 20% error estimate)
However I am happy to accept that you have determined the GD flat rate tariff is the best arrangement for you and Your Energy profile as I am sure what you have put in place is perfectly suitable for that comparative purpose. I believe I have shown above where there are a number of errors in your claims, and evidenced the statements I made previously, to be correct.
I am happy to be corrected with facts, but please, not just with opinions and claims of being "in the know".