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Abbott hates wind.

Postby melmik » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:23 pm

You could expect Alan Jones to come up with c##p like the attack on wind power. But we now have a prime minister who is not only an embarrassment as an Australian politician, but also as a human. Has he ever lived near or seen an open cut coal mine, or heard of nuclear power accidents, or fracking accidents, oil rig spills etc etc.
The clueless political genius doesn't even know his own RET legislation hasn't passed the senate yet.
It is mind blowing how stupid he appears, and if some media reports are true, he may be illegally in parliament depending on if and when he renounced his British citizenship - a topic he seems very interested in avoiding.
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby Tracker » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:47 am

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The bias that Tony would have, would possibly stem from seeing those systems near Canberra, that are a disgrace..
The Lake George lot and worst, those ones (not sure of local - Woop-Woop) , I think south of Canberra and they are in your face when driving to Melbourne ...

On the stillest of foggy days, there they are turning, turning, turning.... clearly to appease the public's perception of the waste..

It would be interesting to see a list of farms that actually give an environmental benefit..
and that should be on the basis of power generated LESS the massive Govt. Subsidies..
Yes.. there should be a social cost associated with renewable power, but that should be based on power generated..

I noted Tony's comments on noise and health issues.
I would still like to stay near an active location to witness the discomfort myself... I suspect that in most instances, the medical issues are truly psychosomatic, but I am open to being convinced..
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby lantern » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:34 am

What else could you expect from the Coal industry's favourite plonker.

And as for health issues.

Phantom health effects of wind turbines explained.

Amid opposition towards wind farms and the much-talked about symptoms of ‘wind turbine syndrome’, EcoGeneration talks to acoustics specialist Dr Renzo Tonin on how there is no scientifically proven link between wind turbine infrasound and reported health issues.

http://ecogeneration.com.au/news/phanto ... ined/92779
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby melmik » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:46 am

Agree Tracker that they are not the prettiest things to view, and that their benefits my not be as great as say solar.
But they are a lot better looking than an open cut coal mine or an ocean full of oil rigs, and probably less detrimental to the environment than a paddock full of CSG fracking wells.
Like you, I think the health issues if turbines are overstated, and again way less than fossil fuel generated power.

What I really hated was the uninformed, ignorant and proudly arrogant way Abbott tried to put another nail in renewable energy. Plus the dusgraceful attack on a growth industry at a time where his govt should be begging for investment.

The only funny thing is that his efforts will ultimately be pointless. Renewables are here to stay. He is only delaying, and does not have the ability to stop the march to more sustainable power generation.

Plus he needs to consider his words and policies carefully in light of the horrific Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement we are about to be forced into. Imagine a large Chinese solar corporation trying to set up in Australia. Mr Abbott says 'no to renewables'. But the TPP agreement allows corporations to sue sovereign govts for potential loss of profits. And even the wind turbine industry could take legal action - just like tobacco companies are doing over our packaging laws.

"Government could be sued by companies for making law in the public interest

The leaked chapters of the TPP indicate that the agreement may contain an investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) clause, which allows foreign corporations to sue Australia's government for loss of future profits. While the previous government said that an ISDS provision would be a deal-breaker for Australia, the Coalition has indicated that it may consider signing the TPP with an ISDS clause."
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby davidg » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:41 am

melmik wrote:they are a lot better looking than an open cut coal mine or an ocean full of oil rigs, and probably less detrimental to the environment than a paddock full of CSG fracking wells.

So far ahead, not even a contest.

melmik wrote:I think the health issues if turbines are overstated, and again way less than fossil fuel generated power.

If they really had such dreadful issues then I'm sure cattle that graze around them would be having all sorts of health issues, they just don't and their hearing is superior to ours.

melmik wrote:really hated was the uninformed, ignorant and proudly arrogant way Abbott tried to put another nail in renewable energy. Plus the disgraceful attack on a growth industry at a time where his govt should be begging for investment.

Hes a simply a liar, I always thought he would a dreadful PM, in fact he's worse than I ever thought he would be, along with a number of others in the current government they are one of the worst, most insensitive group of unfeeling, ill-informed, self-serving pricks I ever had the misfortune to see get voted into power.

melmik wrote:Plus he needs to consider his words and policies carefully in light of the horrific Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement we are about to be forced into.

see statement just above.

melmik wrote:The leaked chapters of the TPP indicate that the agreement may contain an investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) clause, which allows foreign corporations to sue Australia's government for loss of future profits. While the previous government said that an ISDS provision would be a deal-breaker for Australia, the Coalition has indicated that it may consider signing the TPP with an ISDS clause."

Real issue, should be not in included period, laws and regulation made for the actual good/benefit of the country, it's people and environment should not be able to challenged based on a profit hit some bunch of execs that decide they don't like. That's just so wrong. :x
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby Alex Morrow » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:06 pm

"On the stillest of foggy days, there they are turning, turning, turning.... clearly to appease the public's perception of the waste.."

Are you saying that on a still day, the wind turbines are driven by electricity to make it appear that they are useful?

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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby davidg » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:41 pm

Tracker wrote:...are in your face when driving to Melbourne ...

Do you mean Ararat, by any chance? I've stopped on the side of the road at one of the closest points to the Ararat ones downwind I was hard pressed to hear anything at all from them and was fairly close.

Tracker wrote:On the stillest of foggy days, there they are turning, turning, turning.... clearly to appease the public's perception of the waste..

They can be turning. A turbine will turn in an extremely light breeze, will not produce any power because there is simply not enough energy in it to do so. An Wind farm typically averages about 30% of of it's peak potential. Still not bad when you look at the gross size of the farm.

Tracker wrote:I noted Tony's comments on noise and health issues. I would still like to stay near an active location to witness the discomfort myself... I suspect that in most instances, the medical issues are truly psychosomatic, but I am open to being convinced

I have a couple, quite senior to me stay fairly close to a wind farm, they were fascinated to see how the sound was (under 1km), the comment I got was they look great, no discernible noise from them even in a quite strong wind while they were downwind from them.

TA is talking total pile of c..p from everything I've looked at and spent time around them etc he's a complete d..k...d. Can we tell him to go away and pull his head in now. :(

If it was such an issue, cattle in close proximity would be going bonkers, they don't give a toss or have any issue at all.
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby melmik » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:18 pm

'Visually awful' and 'utterly offensive'
Have Abbott & Hockey had a look around their own cabinet room.
From Scowling Scott Morrison to Creepy Christopher Pyne, I doubt if there has ever been a set of politicians who are more offensive and visually awful.
Smug uncaring arrogance is not a great way to represent people.
One has to wonder if their families share the same head in the sand views on renewables. Even our almighty energy companies recognise that change is necessary - but will delay as long as possible.
We had a wind turbine on industrial land here in Newcastle. It is now in Tassie due to the apparent need to build a 4th coal loader on that spot sometime in the future. The stupidest thing were the irrational comments by the coalition state bureaucrats who were quoted as:

"This wind turbine on Kooragang Island is soon to be removed to make way for another coal loader, which is fair enough.

However a government spokesperson stated in a local newspaper there would be no more of these units installed in this area because - wait for it - 'they would stir up the coal dust!' "

Ignoring the fact that the turbines spin when there is wind and that just perhaps it was the wind itself blowing coal dust from the uncovered stockpiles.

Seriously, these guys would not be capable if wiping their own bums.
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Re: Abbott hates wind.

Postby davidg » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:44 pm

melmik wrote:However a government spokesperson stated in a local newspaper there would be no more of these units installed in this area because - wait for it - 'they would stir up the coal dust!' "

Never allow complete B...S... to get in the way of even more B...S... , so that we can say thats total B...S... . Far too often these fools actually believe what they say, a very sad indictment on their intelligence oh that's right they don't have any. Those of us that understand the basic laws of physics know instantly they are complete and utter morons that should not be in the position they are in. :shock:

melmik wrote:Seriously, these guys would not be capable if wiping their own bums.

To wipe their own bum, requires the ability to process a thought with logic, they can't. :cry:
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