WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. fact or fiction

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Re: WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. fact or fiction

Postby zzsstt » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:36 am

Tracker wrote:Anyway, it seems we have had no luck drawing out some comment from anyone physically involved.


I'm not sure why you would expect anyone who has first hand experience of WTC to post here. Reading back on the thread you will see that the vast majority of people not only "don't believe in WTC" but are also fairly harsh about those who do. Most people will post in a forum where the majority share their views, which is why with a few notable exceptions (like the guy who worked for the power companies and posted anti PV rhetoric) most people here believe (to some extent) in global warming, are anti fossil fuels and pro renewable energy. Most of the long term contributors have invested in renewables, and have a lifestyle that is not completely mainstream. Can you imagine the flaming that would happen if someone were to post "I have WTC"?

By the way, as far as the "stress" aspect goes, I can tell you that it is very real. Whilst Gordon has mentioned studies that "prove otherwise", I find it very hard to believe that a windfarm 2km from my front door and smack bang in the middle of my lovely view will have no impact on my property value. I'm fairly certain that if anybody here thought that they might see 25% of their house value wiped off, they would also be stressed!
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Those who live with them..

Postby Tracker » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+way+the+wind+blows+Waubra&oq=the+way+the+wind+blows+Waubra&gs_l=youtube.12...58669.58669.0.60619.1.1.0.0.0.0.402.402.4-1.1.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.T2yaLCE0yyU

BTW - If you have not followed up on the links given by Gordon - do check out the videos..

I don't think it is possible to think the issue of induced illness is possible, after listening to the many opinions.. There is a condensed summary video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTAi0DuI3e8
or the individual parts..
The Way the Wind Blows - Introduction Neil Barrett 1 of 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IFVgw-rN74
The Way the Wind Blows - Rod Brennan neighbour 2 of 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P97TCWKRXZk
The Way the Wind Blows - Ken Ewing host 3 of 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42NGalr7NN0
The Way the Wind Blows - Lawrence & Kerryn Gallagher hosts 4 of 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOtDdt_FGMA
If you need more, then there is another 8..

As I said - I don't think you could be not convinced by what has been presented, and clearly flies in the face of some MSM presentations, like "Hosts are not able to talk about their turbines.." :!:

Reading back on the thread you will see that the vast majority of people not only "don't believe in WTC" but are also fairly harsh about those who do.

Thinking back to this comment, I am not sure that I agree that it applies to the working wind farms..
There is little support for domestic turbines, because of their relative high cost, and guaranteed ongoing maintenance costs..
I am concerned at the suggestion of the subsidies for their installation, and seriously worrie about some being Non-Productive (Lake George)..

Very timely that these interviews were released.. I dare say, Mr Jones won't be interested in hearing the truth.. :lol:

I think the figures for the Waubra's wind farms suggested a 90% acceptance, and a 5% complaint number.
As one supporter stated - "People had head-aches, long before the first one was built".
There at Waubra, annual payments go into a "Community Chest" to support the Community.. Everyone wins.. :!:
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Re: WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. fact or fiction

Postby zzsstt » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:18 pm

And as far as physiological illness goes you might well be right, although it wouldn't be the first time something weird has been disregarded and later turned out to be true. But I'm sure that the psychological aspects of stress are very real, and for some people may well have physiological manifestations.

I have to say that my gut feeling is that a wind turbine seems unlikely to be able to cause physical illness. But then I also utterly fail to understand why half my local town is on pills for "depression", or why anorexics think that starving themselves to death is a good idea. About 99% of the claims made by ecoists about the harm done by "chemicals" and modern living seem so utterly stupid that I find it hard to think anyone could believe them. And yet thousands of people apparently suffer from these ailments, and every year more ridiculous and unlikely diseases are added to the list of things doctors will treat.

Strangely, people with a "green leaning" seem very willing to accept the anti-chemical rhetoric yet entirely unable to sympathize with WTC.

Terry Goodkind wrote, in "Wizards First Rule":

"Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

That probably largely explains both sides of the argument!
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Re: WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. fact or fiction

Postby Gordon-Loomberah » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:42 pm

More evidence that wind farms have no significant effect on property values. Reardon's study would have to be considered a joke, if it wasn't being used to mislead and distress people.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/whippin ... igma-59611
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WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. more a stress issue??

Postby Tracker » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:27 pm

Gordon-Loomberah wrote:More evidence that wind farms have no significant effect on property values.

Thanks buddy..
I was NEVER convinced that there was an issue, and I do feel that any real issue is in the minds of those affected.. Stress WILL cause CANCER, and many other ailments.. Sound wont.. :(
But, please, as you find good stuff, keep it updated and the thread alive so that we might attract a contra-view.. somehow, from somewhere.. :idea:
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Re: WTC ---- Wind Turbine Complex.. fact or fiction

Postby Gordon-Loomberah » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:32 am

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