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HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby karlajensen » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:35 pm

Well.....

Bit the bullet and bought one for the wife. claimed sub 5l/100Km on the highway cycle and ~5.2L / city for a combined of 5.1l/100K.

my observations and opinions of the vehicle.
1st up with the dislikes
1) driver dash has a long term econometer which runs up as far as 30l/100km......WHY? should be 4-10l
as it happens its scale is so far wrong its completely useless.
2)costs more in fuel to run than outgoing Volvo V70T5's on LPG (which go alot harder nonetheless still for sale)
3) Floor mats and carpets are utter rubbish vs the std in a 2001 Volvo.
4) interior looks at a glance OK, stitched dash is good but door trims and seats are "6/10 next to the (12 year old) volvo" according to the wife.
5) energy in/out meter is so difficult to understand its basically useless
6) NO HID HEADLIGHTS....spewing!
7) Book figures RE fuel consumption appear impossible to achieve any way i try
think at least +1L/100km (thats 120% of the supposed book figures).
8) EV mode "deactivated due excessive accelleration", "deactivate due excessive speed", "deactivated insufficient charge in batteries" (warnings on the dash) = almost a waste of time entirely!

2nd up with the likes
1) DAB (digital radio) is great
1)Blind spot monitoring/warning is GREAT look for the light, if no light move over!
1)c reverse camera works in the dark AND the mirrors dip when you put it in reverse (actually useful)
2) user-interface GPS / Phone etc is vgood (better than the commodore and falcon in my opinion)
3) ride is firm but compliant no complaints there, MILES away better than the 2000 camry we had before which was the most un-inspiring soppy wet car to drive it wasn't in me to do it (at all and i sold it despite it being the wife's car within months of getting married).
4)sub 8seconds to 100kph = not quick but not needing to stop for a break waiting for it to get there either.

indifferent so far....
1)CVT Auto...????? we'll see how that goes over time!
2)I got a demonstrator in BLACK which turns out to be a PITA no matter how much i said if anyone could have a black car it would be me......hard work keeping it clean!
3) auto headlights???? WHY!
4) Auto wipers?????? WHY!

In all was it worth the $30K i paid (demonstrator 10,400kms on it)
sure may even be a bargain and i'll have it ~10 years .
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby Tracker » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:29 am

......6) NO HID HEADLIGHTS....spewing..

Well that's a plus..
The only one's who like HID's are their drivers.. otherwise, they are murder for those on the other side of the road..


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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby bpratt » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:26 am

Tracker wrote:
......6) NO HID HEADLIGHTS....spewing..

Well that's a plus..
The only one's who like HID's are their drivers.. otherwise, they are murder for those on the other side of the road..


I fitted HID to my Elantra when I first bought it 6 years ago, but got the right colour temperature at the time, which was around 5000K, rather than the aftermarket ones that are up to more than 7000K.

I guess the difference is that my headlight aim was checked at the time.

Yes, they are rather intense to oncoming traffic, but not as intense as someone with headlights on high beam.

I've seen some HID fitted cars coming the other way, and you can tell straight away that they're aftermarket, and not just from the colour temperature, as they have been not been correctly aligned. The more factory fitted HID vehicles the more you will see that whilst bright, it is not HID alone that dazzles you, but the alignment being wrong.

I think Karl is right, the consumption listed is often not achieveable in the real world.

Between the Camry and I-Miev, I'd choose the all electric I-Miev first.
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby bashworth » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:33 am

karlajensen wrote:Well.....


7) Book figures RE fuel consumption appear impossible to achieve any way i try
think at least +1L/100km (thats 120% of the supposed book figures).


Not sure about the Camry but I used to drive a Prius and it met the figures.

It depends on the traffic. I used to find the slower the traffic the better the consumption figure because it then ran more on the battery. Stop start on the commute along the West Gate (Melbourne) was great for bettering the urban figure
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby offgridQLD » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:48 pm

I wouldn't expect any Japanese car to have the interior refinement of a European car .Often the same model car sold in Australia has e a very different spec interior on offer in the UK . They just expect more in Europe.

I'm sure the new Toyota is a very smooth car to drive and the 0-100kmh sounds fine for a large family car. It may not be returning the consumption numbers reported but I'm sure its doing much better than the typical 6cyl car of that size.

I wouldn't even try to compare it to the I-miev they are two totally different cars designed to do different things
and both have good and bad points.

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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby davidg » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:53 pm

I think I'll stick with my crappy old rodeo 2.6L on gas and petrol.

I just came back from SA towing another 4WD on a 4.9M Tandem trailer - All up total gross 5 tonnes on Gas I was getting 380 kms to an 80 L which is a lot considering the total weight. 8-)
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby offgridQLD » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:41 am

I have to say that's a very good good effort. 5 ton, 2.6lt, gas and interstate driving are things you don't usually want to hear in the same story :lol:

The heaviest thing I have towed is a excavator package that was around 3ton and while my ute with 3lt TDI is rated to tow that it wasn't a experience I would want every day. Not so bad on the motorway but climbing the 12% grade to the hinterland was a 2nd gear job at times.

I had my old man come and visit from Adelaide. He drove a peugeot 308TDI little modern looking hatchback /station wagon thing. The average fuel consumption over the trip was 4lt - 100km. The Europeans have this fuel economy thing down to a fine art. I guess there is a bigger incentive to do so when your paying over $2lt for fuel.

I spoke to some fiends over the weekend who were looking for a new car. They took the Camry hybrid for a test drive and their impression was it was like driving a space ship! I'm not sure if that view was effected by the fact they drive a very old Toyota hilux but they were very impressed. It was a bit more than what they were willing to spend though.

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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby davidg » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:31 am

offgridQLD wrote:It was a bit more than what they were willing to spend though.

:) There are getting pricey for what they call a more basic vehicle
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby Whitespeed » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:39 pm

My wife has one of these. She loves it, fuel consumption is not that far out for us. When we bought ours combined on the sticker was 5.2 our long term average is 5.8. Close enough.

People don't realise the government ratings are totally the reverse to a normal car. It really only saves fuel in suburban areas. On the highway you are more or less cruising along in a standard 2.5l family sedan.

Ours will sit on 6.5 on the open road, then when we get to the city, it will drop to 4.5-5 while we work our way through the traffic, once we get out the other side on to the highway it will work its way back up again.
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Re: HL (Hybrid Luxury) CAMRY toyota

Postby karlajensen » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:56 am

Wife's drive is close to the speed at which the highway rating for consumption testing is done @ 80km/hr and long term average is 5.1L.
i've taken to Wednesdays + shopper docket discounts + premium fuel which it does 4-5%better on (tested similar driving 2000km back to back 91 to 98 octane empty tank etc). Hence no cost difference and DOES go harder if you need it on the 98.
will FILL up big, perhaps 55L in the car + another 135L in jerry cans =3600-3800kms which is 6 weeks for wifes commute between trips to servo!

Me of course...i'm on the ebike now so its fuel consumption measured in Wh/km
have 500Wh on board and normally get 65km easily enough i make that as near enough 8Wh/km.

as its charged off peak at 13.4c+GST from my commute home 25km 190-200Wh, under 3cents
and at wok charged via a solar panel for free or if its cloudy at PEAK rate 40c/kW about 10c.

Add to that the cycle life of the battery which probably cost more than the electricity to recharge it!

Energy use only -servicing of both cars and bikes and tyres depreciation etc
daily commute 50km probably works out at 10-15c
vs Camry Hybrid at 2.8l (i use more than wife )x $1.6 = $4.5
or work van 10l diesel/100km at 5lx1.65 =$8.25.

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